<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Yes, I'll be on the call. Thanks!<br><br><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 10/30/09, Andre Stipanovic <i><astipanovic@mail.hockaday.org></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Andre Stipanovic <astipanovic@mail.hockaday.org><br>Subject: [Homer2009-1] Conference call this Monday, Nov. 2, 8pm EST -- RSVP + q's<br>To: homer2009-1@readingodyssey.org<br>Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 10:03 AM<br><br><div id="yiv90710118">
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">(The exact same info as last time)!</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Looking forward to the call, very much!! I really enjoyed the last one! I've included the questions we'll be looking at below.</font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Happy reading, and talk to you all soon!</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Study Guide Questions - Discussion #2</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Books 9- 16 Reconciliations</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">9-12 Odysseus’ wanderings, “reconciling” Poseidon’s curse</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">1. Book 9 - wise leader?</font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Odysseus is often referred to as “wily, crafty and wise.” How wise of </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">a leader is he in the events of Book 9 concerning the Cicones (pp. </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">126-127), Lotus Eaters (127), and Cyclopes (128-140)? How much of </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">these hardships are Odysseus’ own fault? How much of these hardships </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">are pre-determined by prophecy?</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">2. Book 10 - crew morale?</font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">In Book 10, morale among Odysseus’ crew continues to decline. How do </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">the events of Aeolus’ bag of winds (pp. 141-143), Laestrygonians </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">(143-145), and Circe (145-157) contribute to the decline in morale of </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">the crew? What do we learn about Odysseus’ leadership and his </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">cleverness? Just when Odysseus is able to rescue his crew from </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Circe’s bewitchment, he is notified of a very dangerous voyage he must </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">make to Hades. With Circe’s help, Odysseus must consult Tiresias the </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">prophet. Why? (see Books 10 & 11)</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">3. Book 11 - Hades</font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">In Book 11, the shades/ghosts of many reveal themselves to Odysseus at </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Acheron, the entrance to Hades. Before talking even to his mother </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Anticleia, Odysseus makes sure to talk with Tiresias first. Then </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Odysseus allows himself to talk to his mother and other famous Greek </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">women who appear. What is the significance to the plot of mentioning </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">these various Greek heroines (pp. 164-167)? As Odysseus continues to </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">tell of Agamemnon, Achilles and other famous Greek men, what does this </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">panorama of shades suggest about the Greek concept of Hades? of </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Odysseus’ own fears?</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">4. Book 12 - Odysseus alone</font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">How do the series of adventures in Book 12 (Sirens, Scylla, Oxen of </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">the Sun, Thunder & Lightning, Charybdis, Calypso) compare to the </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">series of adventures (Books 9-10) before Odysseus’ trip to Hades (Book </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">11)? Book 5 opens with Odysseus alone and Book 12 ends with Odysseus </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">alone. Now that Odysseus has come full circle in his flashbacks, what </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">is the relatonship between Odysseus and his crew? How are Odysseus’ </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">feelings compounded by the lack of a crew?</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">13-16 Odysseus’ return to his native land, “reconciling” with Telemachus</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">In Book 13, Poseidon is not happy with the Phaeacians for conveying </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Odysseus home safely. Given what happens to the Phaeacians in </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">response to Poseidon’s feelings, how is this action just? What does </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Zeus think about it? Why does Zeus have anything to do with this? </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Athena appears to Odysseus as he wakes up on his own island. What </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">part does she play in helping Odysseus? As clever as Odysseus is, why </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">would Athena’s help be necessary at this stage of the epic?</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">In what ways does Book 14 illustrate the ancient custom of </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">hospitality? How does hospitality in this chapter compare with the </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">hospitality of the Phaeacians (Books 8-13) or Nestor (Book 3) or </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Menelaus (Books 4 & 15)? In Book 14, Odysseus tells two long tales </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">about both his origin and an incident with a cloak during the Trojan </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">War. His stories are inspired by Athena, the goddess of wisdom. How </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">does Odysseus balance the level of fiction with the level of truth in </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">his stories?</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">In Book 15, both Odysseus’ and Telemachus’ piety (i.e. duty to the </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">gods) is revealed in auguries (or bird signs). How do the auguries </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">support the intertwining of Odysseus’ and Telemachus’ lives? How does </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Telemachus’ piety show with respect to Theoclymenus? How does </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Eumaeus’ piety show with respect to Odysseus? According to Greek </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">thinking, is Telemachus’ and Odysseus’ reunion left to chance in any </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">way? In many ways, this book is about origins. Why do you suppose </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Homer chose this moment to unveil Eumaeus’ origin, Theoclymenus’ </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">origin and even information about Odysseus’ father, Laertes and </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">mother, Anticleia? What do Eumaeus’ and Theoclymenus’ stories tell us </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">about nobility as an inner quality or characteristic of a person?</font></div>
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<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">As dawn breaks at the opening of Book 16, Telemachus arrives safely to </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">the swineherd’s hut. Before the day is over, he will be re-united </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">with his father Odysseus. Having been only an infant when Odysseus </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">left for Troy, how does Telemachus recognize his father? Why then </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">does he still doubt his senses? (see pp. 245-246). How is Penelope’s </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">character defined in this book? Ignorant of Odysseus’ return, what do </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Penelope’s actions reveal about her situation with the suitors? How </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">does Eurymachus’ pretending contrast with Penelope’s honesty about the </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">situation? By the end of the day, Eumaeus returns to his hut and </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Telemachus asks about the plot against him by the suitors. How do </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Telemachus’ and Odysseus’ pretending contrast with Eumaeus’ honesty </font></div>
<div align="left" style="text-align:left;"><font face="Helvetica" size="+0" color="#000000" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">about the situation?</font></div>
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